and every proud thing that is raised up against the knowledge of God, and we take every thought captive to obey Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:5, CSB
We watch our lives, knowing people will find any reason to reject the gospel, so we do not give them any valid argument but defend truth with biblical arguments. The Holy Spirit helps us in every moment.
We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ
2 Corinthians 10:5, ESV
This world fights and argues against God. The Holy Spirit guides us in all truth, based on the Word, showing how our thoughts deviate from truth and then pointing us to Christ.
The second weekend of April, 2022, many of the youth pastors and leaders of the Prescott, AZ area came together to hold a youth apologetics conference. It was a lot of fun, and very impactful for everyone there. I spoke on the existence of God, but I did not have a good recording and felt it could have been better.
For 2023, Truth Quest took place on the evening of Friday, March 24 and all day Saturday, March 25, and the theme this year was “Truth & Unity”.
I was one of the workshop speakers. Here is my presentation, both video of my presentation and my less-than-rough notes (though I still went off script a few times. I borrowed quite a bit from the original presentation Ryan Lynn made, but I made my own adaptations and additions, especially to include the unity we are called to in Christ because of the unity found in the Trinity.
Science is a method used to study the physical realm, yet it is trusted by most people to find answers.
Many have come to say that we can only know things by science, a tool we can’t physically verify.
Thus, logic itself is unscientific while being used in science, but that is not a proof we are looking at today.
We must remember that no amount of evidence or argumentation can convert people:
“Christianity does not profess to convince the perverse and headstrong, to bring irresistible evidence to the daring and profane, to vanquish the proud scorner, and afford evidences from which the careless and perverse cannot possibly escape. This might go to destroy man’s responsibility. All that Christianity professes, is to propose such evidences as may satisfy the meek, the tractable, the candid, the serious inquirer.” (Bishop Wilson, Evidences of Christianity, 1.38.)
“Christians do not claim that their faith gives them omniscience or absolute knowledge of reality. Only God has that. But they believe that the Christian account of things – creation, fall, redemption, and restoration – makes the most sense in the world.” (Timothy Keller, The Reason for God, p. 127)
What Evidence?
The Box
Naturalism
Naturalism believes that nature is the only thing that has creative properties so they reject any creative force outside the box (the universe).
Theism
“That is, science is assumed to be, not only rational and causal and unified, but also naturalistic, banning by definition even the possibility of a supernatural First Cause of the rationality, causality, and unity of the universe with which science deals. But such an assumption is purely arbitrary (even emotional, as Isaac Asimov had admitted) and was certainly not held by the great scientists of the past, nor is it indicated by any actual scientific data.” Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Biblical Basis for Modern Science, p.23
Consider that virtually all of the first scientists were Christians wanting to know more about God and His Creation.
Bias: It is closed minded and unscientific to only believe in the material. We all have bias in our approach of discovery but which is the greater bias, naturalism or theism?
“The current bias of science arbitrarily eliminates certain answers before the game gets started. Many scientists and historians must come up with conclusions that leave the supernatural out of the picture because their philosophy demands it. A theist is not so encumbered. She believes in the laws of nature, but is also open to the possibility of supernatural intervention. Both are consistent with her worldview. She can judge the evidence on its own merits, unhindered by a philosophy that automatically eliminates supernatural options before the evidence receives a hearing. Ironically, Christians bias broadens her categories making her more open-minded, not less. She has a greater chance of discovering truth because she can follow the evidence wherever it leads.” Greg Koukl, Tactics, p.174-175
“For me it is more reasonable to believe, based on the laws of logic as well as the observable scientific evidence that God exists, rather than to believe what the atheist believes that nothing, times nobody, equals everything we see in the universe.” -Charlie Campbell, http://www.alwaysbeready.com/component/content/article?id=137
Romans 1:20
This is called General Revelation
We see the beauty of built things:
“Did a tornado blow through a junkyard and manage to build the Eiffel Tower? A thunderstorm shaped a mountain to have faces? That’s absurd.”
“But we believe a beautiful sunset, a spinning galaxy, or strands of DNA ‘just happened’?”
What is the evidence of a God?
We will look at three clues:
Cosmogony/Cosmology with …
Physics – Fine-tuning
Biology – Biological information
[“No Evidence for God” Debunked video]
“Fine Bodies Show God”
Fine – A finite, finely-tuned universe
Kalam Cosmological Argument
1. Everything that exists has a cause2. The universe began to exist3. Therefore, the universe has a cause
The Universe Is Evidence That God Exists
1. Something exists.2. Nothing does not produce something.3. Something must have always existed.
Now, there are only two options as to what that “something (No.3) [that] always existed” might be:
A. The universe, or B. Something outside the universe
4. The universe has not always existed.
The Motion of the Galaxies and The Second Law of Thermodynamics
5. There must be an eternal power beyond the universe that caused the universe to come into existence.
We all know that nothing happens in isolation. When we try to trace an event to its cause, or causes, we find that we never seem to reach a stopping point. The cause of an event itself is caused by a prior cause, and so on back. Eventually we must face the question of a possible uncaused First Cause.
Why? As Dr. Henry Morris explained in The Biblical Basis for Modern Science:
An effect cannot be greater than it’s cause.
What does a First uncaused cause have to look like?
The first cause of limitless space must be infinite.
The first cause of endless time must be eternal.
The first cause of boundless energy must be eternal.
The first cause of infinite complexity must be omniscient.
The first cause of love must be all loving.
The first cause of life must be living.
Fine-Tuning of the Universe
[Fine-Tuning of the Universe video by Reasonable Faith]
Some even suggest we may live in a simulation … which means … created …
So, we have a universe that has a definitive beginning. (Even if arguments are being made saying otherwise.)
It is so finely tuned that a severely minor change would mean at best no life and at worst no universe.
And Christians get made fun of for discussing “elephants all the way down” (which is what a multiverse is) or something outside of the physical universe (showing they have faith in Science and human potential.)
Bodies – Biology is an expression of information, i.e. DNA, and information only comes from a mind.
Creation is getting so loud that we have to cover our ears and close our eyes to not see what is plain before us.
“Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.” -Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker
“Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.” -Francis Crick, cited in William Dembski, Science and Design
Could you imagine if the CSI came on the scene and said “It looks like arson but we cannot accept that.”
The eye is a ball with [Adapted from Hank Hanegraaff, Fatal Flaws, 2003, p. 43 and Geoffrey Simmons, What Darwin Didn’t Know, p. 283]:
a lens on one side
a light sensitive retina made up of rods and cones inside the other
The lens itself has a sturdy protective covering called a cornea
and sits over an iris designed to protect the eye from excessive light
The eye contains an amazing watery substance that is replaced every four hours
Tear glands continuously flush the outside clean
Tears bring oxygen to the cornea, carry chemicals that kill bacteria and proteins to coat the eyes, wash the eyes, and move debris toward a lower drain, or lacrimal duct 7
An eyelid sweeps secretions over the cornea to keep it moist
Eyelashes protect it from dust
And extraordinarily fine tuned muscles are attached to the eye that move the eye and shape the lens for the function of focus.
It’s all about perspective. The evolutionist has to assume that it is not designed because their bias does not allow for a designer
In his famous book, On The Origin of Species (1859), Charles Darwin said, “To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable [matchless] contrivances [plans] for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree.” [p. 217]
“Now I will just run through some points in your letter. What you say about my book gratifies me most deeply, and I wish I could feel all was deserved by me. I quite think a review from a man, who is not an entire convert, if fair and moderately favourable, is in all respects the best kind of review. About the weak points I agree. The eye to this day gives me a cold shudder, but when I think of the fine known gradations, my reason tells me I ought to conquer the cold shudder.” -Francis Darwin, ed., The Life and Letters of Charles Darwin, Vol. II (New York: D. Appleton and Co., 1899), p. 67.
DNA – The code of life – Is it all a happy accident?
Francis Crick, one of the two scientists who discovered DNA, having observed the complexity of DNA, estimated that the odds that intelligent life exists on the Earth as the result of non-directed processes to be around … 1:102,000,000,000 (That’s one with ten to the two billionth power.) – [Cited in Gary Habermas and Mike Licona, The Case for the Resurrection, 2004, p. 179]
Show – The ultimate proof of God is the death and resurrection of Jesus: He presented His physical body to His disciples.
Naturalism or Intelligent Design: both require faith because both cannot observe the past, but what is more probable? What is the most likely, reasonable reality?
Think 4th Dimensionally:
Hearing from an atheist …
What is the supernatural?
“But we need more than naturalistic sciences. We cannot derive meaning, human value, and equality from a laboratory.” -Abdu Murray, Saving Truth, p. 173D
Is there something outside of space and time?
The more we understand the cosmos the bigger and the more intricate the design is observed. We have to conclude that there is a God that is incredibly detailed, unfathomably large, and surpassing beautiful.
What would a higher being be like?
[Flatlanders video by Carl Sagan from Cosmos]
It is perfectly reasonable to believe in a more than probable God.
“For me it is more reasonable to believe, based on the laws of logic as well as the observable scientific evidence that God exists, rather than to believe what the atheist believes that nothing, times nobody, equals everything we see in the universe.” -Charlie Campbell, http://www.alwaysbeready.com/component/content/article?id=137
The Ultimate Proof: Jesus presented Himself as God and proved it!
The Hebrew Bible (what we call the Old Testament) made over 100 distinct prophecies about One who would come to save all people from sin.
Jesus of Nazareth was born the way prophesied, lived a life performing miracles and pointing people to God, and then He said He would be killed and raised to life again.
And Jesus did that. Evidence? John 20:19-20, 24-29
1 Corinthians 15:17-19
God – God not only is, but He has been in community and unity for eternity.
There is enough evidence that God exists that is reliable and consistent, if we are willing to question our biases.
And this God has shown He has eternally been in community: unity with others, even though there is only one God:
Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1 (God is talking here)
Matthew 3:16-17; Mark 1:10-11; Luke 3:21-22
Matthew 28:19
2 Corinthians 13:14
Community in Unity: The Trinity
Father
John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2
Son
John 1:1,14; Romans 9:5; 1 John 5:20
Holy Spirit
Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Ephesians 4:4-6
God exists. God is love (1 John 4:7-16) and invites us into His eternal unity through Jesus Christ.
“no weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall refute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.”
Isaiah 54:17, ESV
When found in Christ, the worst people can do to us is kill us, for they would be sending us to God.
And we have truth on our side, so we can preach with boldness.
“no weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall refute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.”
Isaiah 54:17, ESV
As Christians, we have the truth. No argument can defeat God’s truth.
And even if people try to hurt or kill us, we still have eternal life waiting for us in Christ.
We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ
2 CORINTHIANS 10:5, NASB
We not only let God change our thinking, we challenge what this world says about Him.
He is God. He is on our side. The world’s seemingly “good” arguments are nonsense compared to His Truth.
This author feels that pro-lifers (or, as he calls them, anti-abortion) reveal they are not really pro-life, or perhaps they are inconsistent in their beliefs. And, after years of asking this question, not a single pro-lifer has truthfully and adequately answered this question.
My first thought is, “Who has he been asking?” Because I find this relatively easy to answer. And I know I am far from alone.
However, here is his question:
For some unimportant reason, you are in a fertility clinic, when the building catches fire. As you are about to run out, you hear screaming.
You run back in and find the room where the screaming is emanating. When you open the door you see a 5-year-old child on one side, fire in the middle, and a container holding 1000 viable embryos. (Just assume the container is able to preserve the embryos indefinitely.) You know you only can save one.
Which do you choose?
His argument is that if you choose the child, you prove you are not really pro-life, because you allow all of those embryos – potential humans – to die. If you choose the embryos, you are a monster for letting a child burn.
My initial response is this: Thanks for admitting those embryos are alive!
In connection with this, he and others assert that scientists and politicians can not agree when life begins.
However, all embryologists and many biologists agree that life begins at conception.
There is DNA for a distinct human life.
Check any biology textbook: a cell is a living thing, so they are alive.
The debate then becomes, “But does it have a soul?”
I would argue, yes! Based on:
Psalm 139:13-16 — We were formed in the womb and are fearfully and wonderfully made;
Jeremiah 1:5 — This prophet was chosen before he was even conceived, demonstrating his soul already existed at fertilization. This can be applied to all humans.
As to my answer:
I would save the 5-year-old child.
Does this prove I am not pro-life?
Not at all. In fact, I mourn the loss of those embryos, and I trust God to take care of those lost embryos in His way. But as Christians we also are called to ease suffering.
This child was screaming. Further, being a fertility clinic, this child probably has parents who were there, so I am also helping those parents not to lose a child they already have.
If we change the scenario, maybe my response would be different.
What if I was on a space station above earth or on ship to a new human colony, and the future of the human race depended on those 1000 embryos. I would probably save the embryos.
But this shows the major issue with this question: It is avoiding the point, and it does not show whether a person is truly pro-life.
It is one of those impossible situations in which any choice is not ideal.
If I were on a bus about to go over the edge of a bridge, I would save the first person closest to me. I would not look over the other 36 people on the bus and try to decide who to choose, I would just grab who was closest. I am not responsible for those others, especially if I only have time to save one. No one would question my convictions (except perhaps loved ones of the others on the bus, but most would understand).
Likewise, being in such a situation as this question suggests does not demonstrate that someone is not truly pro-life. It is the complex question fallacy, begging the question. It is basically asking, “Why do you want to let innocents die?” without properly considering other options that are clearly available.
Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God.Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered?Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
vv. 11-15, ESV
I only find this so interesting knowing of passages such as Numbers 6, which Paul would have known well:
And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When either a man or a woman makes a special vow, the vow of a Nazirite, to separate himself to the Lord,he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink. He shall drink no vinegar made from wine or strong drink and shall not drink any juice of grapes or eat grapes, fresh or dried.All the days of his separation he shall eat nothing that is produced by the grapevine, not even the seeds or the skins.
“All the days of his vow of separation, no razor shall touch his head. Until the time is completed for which he separates himself to the Lord, he shall be holy. He shall let the locks of hair of his head grow long.
vv. 1-5
We all have heard about Samson. (Judges 13-16. Who, honestly, gives some credence to men keeping their hair short!)
There is evidence Paul himself took a Nazirite vow (see Acts 18:18).
Now, I am not saying all of the people who said these things are necessarily coming from a judgmental frame of mind. Most, if not all, may simply be trying to approach life from a biblical point.
However, how many times have we gotten caught up in particulars only to push people away? Whether it be hair, drinking, smoking, clothes, tattoos/piercings, end of life plans, church paint/carpet colors, political affiliation, or music choice, we could certainly show more grace to each other.
If anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do the churches of God.
1 Corinthians 11:16
But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him,knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
Titus 3:4-11
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charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith.The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion,desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions.
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully,understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
1 Timothy 1:3-11
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Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
Ephesians 4:29
Do we truly love the Lord our God with all our hearts, souls, minds, and strengths? Maybe I can help with the mind part, at least! This is Daniel M. Klem, apparent poet, reluctant yet passionate Disciple (Peter?), and foolish man attempting to understand theology!