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Weekend Words & Sunday Stanzas – 06/29/2014

Get to know wisdom better through some of the words at Proverbial Thought.

When Enoch had lived 65 years, he fathered Methuselah. Enoch walked with God after he fathered Methuselah 300 years and had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days of Enoch were 365 years. Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.
Genesis 5:21-24, ESV

 

And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it and he cried, “My father, my father! The chariots of Israel and its horsemen!” And he saw him no more.
2 Kings 2:11-12, ESV

 

Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:

“Death is swallowed up in victory.”
“O death, where is your victory?
    O death, where is your sting?”

The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:51-58, ESV

Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:17, ESV

 

He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
Revelation 22:20, ESV

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how deeply can we know You

how far in love can we go

is it possible on earth

is it possible to walk with You

can we see Your face here

can we touch Your hands

if we walk within truth

if we strive to be with You

will Your glory be seen now

will Your presence fully be here

what is the depth we can go

what length can we travel

are You closer than we think

are You just waiting on us

The Rapture and the End Times

When Daniel asked if I would like to post a topic on his blog, my first thought was what an honor it is. Daniel is an amazing man of God, trustworthy, reliable, has a soft heart, and you can count on him to never put God in a box – because Daniel never thinks inside the box anyway.

My name is Jesse Walker, I’m the host of a radio program called “The Unwinding Path” on KXEG 1280AM in Phoenix, and do a lot of guest speaking at churches, conferences and college groups. Some of my most requested messages are “Proving the Resurrection of Jesus,” “The Science of Genesis,” and, with the uproar about December 21st 2012, “The Rapture and The End Times,” among others.

I have been studying what the Bible says about the end times (aka Eschatology), for years, and, though God’s Word makes it clear that no man knows the day or the hour of Jesus’ return (whether the rapture or the second coming), I have often wondered how I would live differently if I knew Jesus was coming back at a specific time. One of the main ideas I have is that I would sell most of my possessions and give the money to the poor and hungry (Luke 12). Another is that I would tell as many people as I could, as fast as I could, about Jesus (Matt 28).

To get to the basics then, the rapture and the second coming are two separate events and are often times confused and mis-understood. On top of all this, there are many differing views about this subject. For the sake of time I will condense this blog to focus on the rapture, and the view that the majority of Christians believe about the rapture, namely pre-tribulationism.

The rapture is an event that will occur sometime in the future at which time Jesus will come back in the clouds (and will not come down to the earth) and call all Christians up to heaven. Sometime after this event, Jesus will come back to earth and set up His earthly kingdom. Please note that they are not the same event but two totally separate events. First the rapture happens then the second coming (where Jesus will actually come back to the earth).

Years ago I ask God to show me the truth about the rapture since there are so many views held by many good Christian people. On any issue I simply want to know truth, whether it’s good or bad. Here’s what God allowed me to believe: That the rapture (where Jesus comes back in the clouds and calls all Christians up to heaven) would occur before the 7 year tribulation period.
However, in the last few months I started digging even deeper into God’s Word. As I did, I forced myself to question, not only my beliefs about the rapture, but also everything I had ever heard from Bible prophecy teachers. Let me stop right here and say that I still believe that the rapture will occur, but after careful study of God’s word (consulting even the Greek New Testament), what I found is nothing like any of the teachings out there. In fact, the pre-tribulationists will probably call me a pre-wrather and the pre-wrathers will probably call me a heretic. After God showed me this new information, I asked Him why He allowed me to believe something that wasn’t fully accurate. His response was “You asked me to show you the truth, but you weren’t strong enough to handle it until now.”

I believed and taught the “typical” pre-tribulation rapture doctrine for more than a decade. I still call myself a pre-tribulationist when it comes to the rapture, but it does not occur in the timeline of Revelation the way most pre-tribulationists teach it.

Having said all that, I see Revelation, and what the Bible teaches about the end times more clearly than I’ve ever seen it before, and am currently working on the teaching about the subject for one of our upcoming radio programs.
I would appreciate your thoughts. I know this can be a sensitive subject and I want everyone to remember that salvation is not based on what one believes about the end times, but that Jesus is our risen savior!

I might also like to use some of your thoughts on one of our upcoming programs so please post your name and town if you comment.

You may read Matt 24 and 25, 1 Thess 4, and Revelation (among many others) for scriptural basis.

Weekend Words & Sunday Stanzas – 10/23/2011

So, the end of the world as we know it was supposed to happen on Friday. (Remember Harold Camping telling us the Rapture was supposed to happen on May 21 and the end would come on October 21? I made reference to it here, here, and here.)

Again, I commemorate the occasion with a poem. This one is actually less tongue-in-cheek.

waiting
daniel m  klem

i wait for Your answer
to come from You
i wait for Your coming
to rescue me  too
i wait for Your Son
to come and save me
I wait for Your Word
to let it be
i wait only for You
to talk with us
i wait for many things
to make all trust
until these happen
i will keep waiting

Taken from simple words for God from a simple man of God by daniel m  klem, page 91.

It’s the End of the World As We Know It … Again …

Perhaps you remember five months ago all of the hype over Harold Camping and the impending rapture he calculated from the evidence in the Bible would occur on May 21. I made some comments on the whole affair here, here (tongue-in-cheek) and here.

Well, this week brings about part two of his prediction. You see, Harold explained that on May 21st God’s work of salvation came to an end, that the Holy Spirit was pulled from world (except believers, of course). No one else can be saved (be led to Christ). Instead, the final rapture in which the Elect (those who are saved) are taken up to meet Christ is the air takes place at the exact same time as the final judgement and destruction of Creation. This is all to happen …

This Friday, October 21st (2011, if you are confused on which “this Friday” I mean).

I have covered this topic before, as referenced above.

You know, if he is right about this date, amillenniallists have it all right (except the date. That is Harold Camping). On the other hand, if Harold has been right all along, then premillennialists are more right. I personally do not think postmillennialism has any basis in truth at all, but I will be friends with you even if you do think it has any basis in truth at all.

After that little rabbit-trail …

Can I get any comments? What do you think: Is the world coming to an end this weekend, or do we have more time? Or are we possibly disappearing before Friday?

Or do you think God has a rather hilarious sense of humor and will use this Friday to end everything as we know it to really shock Harry Camping … and everyone else?

Man-led End Times

Is God giving us more control of our destiny?

The movie The Adjustment Bureau taps into a Secular Theology understanding of eschatology. The basic premise is that God has been controlling history all along, but eventually we will get to a point where we are able to stand on our own and make our own informed decisions. Essentially, God works Himself out of His job.

First of all, that does not really jibe biblically.

Some may disagree that it speaks to the End Times before Christ returns, but many agree that Matthew 24 speaks about that time in which our Lord says,

“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.” (Matthew 24:22, NIV)

There are several passages that speak to the end like this.

My question today is this:

What if God is indeed slowly stepping back?

Could He indeed be giving humanity more control of their destiny?

Now, before you jump straight into declaring me a heretic or blasphemer, consider some points of interest.

God is not giving up control, He is merely allowing us to make more of our own decisions in how history unfolds.

God is not making the bad things we do to ourselves and our planet happen, rather He does not intervene as much as He may have in the past. In The Adjustment Bureau, one of the “angels” says the last time “The Boss” allowed humanity to control their destiny was in 1914, and we nearly annihilated ourselves with World War I. He sent His people back in to help us. Instead of saying “World War I was God giving us more control and we failed,” perhaps there is truth that He did give us more control over events. He did step in to keep us from annihilating ourselves.

However, God intervenes to make sure we do not annihilate ourselves before all of His plans have been fulfilled. He allows us to have some control so that we gradually prove His truth that we cannot function (properly) without Him. He allows us control, in other words, to speed along His return. The more control we have, the worse things get over all. After things get so bad that mankind’s “every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time” He will step in finally. Christ will return to set up His Kingdom once and for all. (We can debate whether or not there is a literal millennium later)

What do you think? Is God allowing us more freedom in our choices to usher in the End? Am I being heretical? Or does this idea help explain why it seems things are truly getting worse in our world in spite of all our advances in technology, medicine, and knowledge?

The Great Banquet

I cannot let go of this rapture thing quite yet.

Yep, my wedding reception!

What about the Great Banquet?

Then Jesus said to his host, “When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”

When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, “Blessed is the man who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God.”

Jesus replied: “A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, ‘Come, for everything is now ready.’

“But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, ‘I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.’

“Another said, ‘I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I’m on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.’

“Still another said, ‘I just got married, so I can’t come.’

“The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.’

“‘Sir,’ the servant said, ‘what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.’

“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and make them come in, so that my house will be full. 24 I tell you, not one of those men who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.’”

Luke 14:12-24, NIV

Is the Church doing its job? Are Christians  acting justly, loving mercy, and walking humbly with our God as He requires? Are we clothing the naked, giving shelter the homeless, or visiting the infirm or imprisoned as we ought?

It seems the world is doing more of this than most Christians. In fact, I know and know of more people outside of churches who act justly, love mercy, cloth the naked, give shelter, visit, heal, encourage, and support others. Problem? Definitely. It looks like our world is doing a better job at being salt and light than those who have been called to be the salt and the light.

So what do you think? If the rapture were to occur tonight, would we be surprised to see a third of the world gone and almost all of the Christians still here? Should we be surprised? Am I being too heretical? Or are you as convicted as I after reading this?

Seriously. Check yourself. I am.

Balancing Our Prophet Deficit

Over the weekend the Rapture did not happen. I just thought I would fill you in case you were wondering. (For the record: Harold Camping is now saying that everything is happening on October 21. There is no longer a final Tribulation period, just the final act.)

Now we are faced with the question:

What do we do with Harold Camping?

Really, the question is “What do we do with false prophets and teachers, heretics, blasphemers, sinful brothers and sisters, and every other supposed Christian who messes up in some way?”

I have poked some fun at our friend Harold. I even do that for people with whom I agree! It is just the kind of great guy that I am. I must say, however, that I am quite put out by the number of people raking this guy over the coals. Do you not realize that this public display of renunciation in such a manner helps prove right those who want nothing to do with Christianity?

Do not get me wrong. He has done something that should not be condoned, and we should denounce his actions and teaching concerning this past weekend’s non-event. To ignore it or even praise it would send the signal to those outside the Church or those struggling within the Church that we are okay with dissenters and those who misuse Scripture and the name of God, and we are therefore deserving of their ridicule. To publicly call the guy names and attempt to smear his reputation is childish and exactly what we see happening in our culture with people every day. How is that the Church being better than the world?

Instead, we have two biblical models to follow:

  1. Tell the man to stop. If he refuses, simply have nothing to do with him. We should “hand him over to Satan” in hopes he will actually be purged of his sins (read the link). Then we respond to his claims so that the world knows what is going on, but we also make it clear he does not speak for all of us. Done. No name calling. No character assassination (admit it, a false prophecy is enough to do that). No helping the non-Christian masses with defaming our faith and our Lord.
  2. Tell the man to stop. If he refuses, treat him like a sinner. What are we supposed to do with sinners? Love them unconditionally in the hopes that they see their error, but we do not condone what they are doing.

Once again, I am guilty of what I am speaking against. I have joked around at his expense, albeit I kept it between myself and friends. I am not saying it is any better in God’s sight. I might still be guilty of leading others astray. However, we should strive to win over as many as possible through our love and loving actions towards each other.

Any thoughts on how we should treat Harold Camping, and any others who consistently sin? What does it mean to excommunicate a fellow believer in this day? Should we excommunicate him? (Quite honestly, it seems he already was by many Christians)